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    <title>PodRocket - Episodes Tagged with “Esm”</title>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
    <description>PodRocket covers everything you need to know about frontend web development on a weekly basis. Join our hosts as they interview experienced developers about all the libraries, frameworks, and tech industry issues they deal with every day.</description>
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    <itunes:subtitle>A web development podcast from LogRocket</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>LogRocket</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>PodRocket covers everything you need to know about frontend web development on a weekly basis. Join our hosts as they interview experienced developers about all the libraries, frameworks, and tech industry issues they deal with every day.</itunes:summary>
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  <title>Moving to ESM from CJS with Anthony Fu</title>
  <link>https://podrocket.logrocket.com/moving-to-esm-from-cjs-anthony-fu</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>LogRocket</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Anthony Fu, Framework Developer at Nuxt Labs, discusses the shift to ESM-only formats in JavaScript development. He covers the controversy surrounding ESM, the advantages of moving from CJS to ESM, and what this transition means for the future of web development. Tune in to learn why now is the ideal time for this change, and how it benefits developers!</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>25:10</itunes:duration>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Anthony Fu, Framework Developer at Nuxt Labs, discusses the shift to ESM-only formats in JavaScript development. He covers the controversy surrounding ESM, the advantages of moving from CJS to ESM, and what this transition means for the future of web development. Tune in to learn why now is the ideal time for this change, and how it benefits developers!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Links&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://antfu.me" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://antfu.me&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/antfu.me" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://bsky.app/profile/antfu.me&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://github.com/antfu" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://github.com/antfu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://x.com/antfu7" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://x.com/antfu7&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/antfu" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/antfu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://antfu.me/posts/move-on-to-esm-only" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://antfu.me/posts/move-on-to-esm-only&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;We want to hear from you!&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How did you find us? Did you see us on Twitter? In a newsletter? Or maybe we were recommended by a friend?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let us know by sending an email to our producer, Emily, at&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="mailto:emily.kochanekketner@logrocket.com" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;emily.kochanekketner@logrocket.com&lt;/a&gt;, or tweet at us at&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/PodRocketpod" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;PodRocketPod&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Follow us. Get free stickers.&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow us on Apple Podcasts, fill out this &lt;a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/get-podrocket-stickers" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;form&lt;/a&gt;, and we’ll send you free PodRocket stickers!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;What does LogRocket do?&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;LogRocket's Galileo AI watches user sessions for you and surfaces the technical and usability issues holding back your web and mobile apps. Understand where your users are struggling by trying it for free at &lt;a href="https://logrocket.com/signup/?pdr" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;LogRocket.com&lt;/a&gt;. Special Guest: Anthony Fu.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>Anthony Fu, Paul, JavaScript, ESM, CommonJS, Node.js, blog post, modules, ecosystem, CJS, Emacs Script, Node Modules Inspector, Vite, Webpack, frontend frameworks, backend, CLI, open source packages, dependencies, NPM, module format, dual module, libraries, static analysis, tree shaking, migration, tooling, compatibility, ES2021, ECMAScript, bundling, exports, security, vulnerabilities, BlueSky, Next Labs, NextJS, module system, package maintainers</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Anthony Fu, Framework Developer at Nuxt Labs, discusses the shift to ESM-only formats in JavaScript development. He covers the controversy surrounding ESM, the advantages of moving from CJS to ESM, and what this transition means for the future of web development. Tune in to learn why now is the ideal time for this change, and how it benefits developers!</p>

<h3>Links</h3>

<p><a href="https://antfu.me" rel="nofollow noopener">https://antfu.me</a><br>
<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/antfu.me" rel="nofollow noopener">https://bsky.app/profile/antfu.me</a><br>
<a href="https://github.com/antfu" rel="nofollow noopener">https://github.com/antfu</a><br>
<a href="https://x.com/antfu7" rel="nofollow noopener">https://x.com/antfu7</a><br>
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/antfu" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.linkedin.com/in/antfu</a><br>
<a href="https://antfu.me/posts/move-on-to-esm-only" rel="nofollow noopener">https://antfu.me/posts/move-on-to-esm-only</a></p>

<h3>We want to hear from you!</h3>

<p>How did you find us? Did you see us on Twitter? In a newsletter? Or maybe we were recommended by a friend?</p>

<p>Let us know by sending an email to our producer, Emily, at&nbsp;<a href="mailto:emily.kochanekketner@logrocket.com" rel="nofollow noopener">emily.kochanekketner@logrocket.com</a>, or tweet at us at&nbsp;<a href="https://twitter.com/PodRocketpod" rel="nofollow noopener">PodRocketPod</a>.</p>

<h3>Follow us. Get free stickers.</h3>

<p>Follow us on Apple Podcasts, fill out this <a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/get-podrocket-stickers" rel="nofollow noopener">form</a>, and we’ll send you free PodRocket stickers!</p>

<h3>What does LogRocket do?</h3>

<p>LogRocket's Galileo AI watches user sessions for you and surfaces the technical and usability issues holding back your web and mobile apps. Understand where your users are struggling by trying it for free at <a href="https://logrocket.com/signup/?pdr" rel="nofollow noopener">LogRocket.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Anthony Fu.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Anthony Fu, Framework Developer at Nuxt Labs, discusses the shift to ESM-only formats in JavaScript development. He covers the controversy surrounding ESM, the advantages of moving from CJS to ESM, and what this transition means for the future of web development. Tune in to learn why now is the ideal time for this change, and how it benefits developers!</p>

<h3>Links</h3>

<p><a href="https://antfu.me" rel="nofollow noopener">https://antfu.me</a><br>
<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/antfu.me" rel="nofollow noopener">https://bsky.app/profile/antfu.me</a><br>
<a href="https://github.com/antfu" rel="nofollow noopener">https://github.com/antfu</a><br>
<a href="https://x.com/antfu7" rel="nofollow noopener">https://x.com/antfu7</a><br>
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/antfu" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.linkedin.com/in/antfu</a><br>
<a href="https://antfu.me/posts/move-on-to-esm-only" rel="nofollow noopener">https://antfu.me/posts/move-on-to-esm-only</a></p>

<h3>We want to hear from you!</h3>

<p>How did you find us? Did you see us on Twitter? In a newsletter? Or maybe we were recommended by a friend?</p>

<p>Let us know by sending an email to our producer, Emily, at&nbsp;<a href="mailto:emily.kochanekketner@logrocket.com" rel="nofollow noopener">emily.kochanekketner@logrocket.com</a>, or tweet at us at&nbsp;<a href="https://twitter.com/PodRocketpod" rel="nofollow noopener">PodRocketPod</a>.</p>

<h3>Follow us. Get free stickers.</h3>

<p>Follow us on Apple Podcasts, fill out this <a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/get-podrocket-stickers" rel="nofollow noopener">form</a>, and we’ll send you free PodRocket stickers!</p>

<h3>What does LogRocket do?</h3>

<p>LogRocket's Galileo AI watches user sessions for you and surfaces the technical and usability issues holding back your web and mobile apps. Understand where your users are struggling by trying it for free at <a href="https://logrocket.com/signup/?pdr" rel="nofollow noopener">LogRocket.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Anthony Fu.</p>]]>
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  <title>Ultra with Omar Mashaal</title>
  <link>https://podrocket.logrocket.com/ultra</link>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>LogRocket</author>
  <enclosure url="https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/3911462c-bca2-48c2-9103-610ba304c673/6aa77354-0efc-4c4c-80c1-c6c70907de0b.mp3" length="40703813" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>LogRocket</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>We talk to Omar Mashaal, creator of the Ultra web framework, about how Ultra, built on Deno with React 18, allows developers to write code and serve it as ESM in whatever format or project structure.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>32:40</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/3/3911462c-bca2-48c2-9103-610ba304c673/episodes/6/6aa77354-0efc-4c4c-80c1-c6c70907de0b/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>&lt;p&gt;We talk to Omar Mashaal, creator of the Ultra web framework, about how Ultra, built on Deno with React 18, allows developers to write code and serve it as ESM in whatever format or project structure.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Links&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://ultrajs.dev" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://ultrajs.dev&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://discord.com/invite/XDC5WxGHb2" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://discord.com/invite/XDC5WxGHb2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/mutual__respect" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://twitter.com/mutual__respect&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/mutual__respect/status/1565384368709070850" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://twitter.com/mutual__respect/status/1565384368709070850&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Tell us what you think of PodRocket&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We want to hear from you! We want to know what you love and hate about the podcast. What do you want to hear more about? Who do you want to see on the show? Our producers want to know, and if you talk with us, we’ll send you a $25 gift card!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you’re interested, &lt;a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/contact-us" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;schedule a call with us&lt;/a&gt; or you can email producer Kate Trahan at &lt;a href="mailto:kate@logrocket.com" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;kate@logrocket.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Follow us. Get free stickers.&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow us on Apple Podcasts, fill out this &lt;a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/get-podrocket-stickers" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;form&lt;/a&gt;, and we’ll send you free PodRocket stickers!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;What does LogRocket do?&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;LogRocket combines frontend monitoring, product analytics, and session replay to help software teams deliver the ideal product experience. &lt;a href="https://logrocket.com/signup/?pdr" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Try LogRocket for free today.&lt;/a&gt; Special Guest: Omar Mashaal.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>React, Deno, web framework, ESM</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>We talk to Omar Mashaal, creator of the Ultra web framework, about how Ultra, built on Deno with React 18, allows developers to write code and serve it as ESM in whatever format or project structure.</p>

<h3>Links</h3>

<p><a href="https://ultrajs.dev" rel="nofollow noopener">https://ultrajs.dev</a><br>
<a href="https://discord.com/invite/XDC5WxGHb2" rel="nofollow noopener">https://discord.com/invite/XDC5WxGHb2</a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/mutual__respect" rel="nofollow noopener">https://twitter.com/mutual__respect</a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/mutual__respect/status/1565384368709070850" rel="nofollow noopener">https://twitter.com/mutual__respect/status/1565384368709070850</a></p>

<h3>Tell us what you think of PodRocket</h3>

<p>We want to hear from you! We want to know what you love and hate about the podcast. What do you want to hear more about? Who do you want to see on the show? Our producers want to know, and if you talk with us, we’ll send you a $25 gift card!</p>

<p>If you’re interested, <a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/contact-us" rel="nofollow noopener">schedule a call with us</a> or you can email producer Kate Trahan at <a href="mailto:kate@logrocket.com" rel="nofollow noopener">kate@logrocket.com</a></p>

<h3>Follow us. Get free stickers.</h3>

<p>Follow us on Apple Podcasts, fill out this <a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/get-podrocket-stickers" rel="nofollow noopener">form</a>, and we’ll send you free PodRocket stickers!</p>

<h3>What does LogRocket do?</h3>

<p>LogRocket combines frontend monitoring, product analytics, and session replay to help software teams deliver the ideal product experience. <a href="https://logrocket.com/signup/?pdr" rel="nofollow noopener">Try LogRocket for free today.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Omar Mashaal.</p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>We talk to Omar Mashaal, creator of the Ultra web framework, about how Ultra, built on Deno with React 18, allows developers to write code and serve it as ESM in whatever format or project structure.</p>

<h3>Links</h3>

<p><a href="https://ultrajs.dev" rel="nofollow noopener">https://ultrajs.dev</a><br>
<a href="https://discord.com/invite/XDC5WxGHb2" rel="nofollow noopener">https://discord.com/invite/XDC5WxGHb2</a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/mutual__respect" rel="nofollow noopener">https://twitter.com/mutual__respect</a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/mutual__respect/status/1565384368709070850" rel="nofollow noopener">https://twitter.com/mutual__respect/status/1565384368709070850</a></p>

<h3>Tell us what you think of PodRocket</h3>

<p>We want to hear from you! We want to know what you love and hate about the podcast. What do you want to hear more about? Who do you want to see on the show? Our producers want to know, and if you talk with us, we’ll send you a $25 gift card!</p>

<p>If you’re interested, <a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/contact-us" rel="nofollow noopener">schedule a call with us</a> or you can email producer Kate Trahan at <a href="mailto:kate@logrocket.com" rel="nofollow noopener">kate@logrocket.com</a></p>

<h3>Follow us. Get free stickers.</h3>

<p>Follow us on Apple Podcasts, fill out this <a href="https://podrocket.logrocket.com/get-podrocket-stickers" rel="nofollow noopener">form</a>, and we’ll send you free PodRocket stickers!</p>

<h3>What does LogRocket do?</h3>

<p>LogRocket combines frontend monitoring, product analytics, and session replay to help software teams deliver the ideal product experience. <a href="https://logrocket.com/signup/?pdr" rel="nofollow noopener">Try LogRocket for free today.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Omar Mashaal.</p>]]>
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